Response to Bill Mitchell

This blog post is a reply to what became and should have remained a Twitter spat, between myself and Bill Mitchell, over Chris Williamson and MMT. I would have liked to have replied just on Twitter and to keep it short and simple except that Bill has taken it to another level, responding on his blog in a highly questionable manner, so I am forced to reply this way too.

I do not know who will read this, even though this will probably be no one, since I do not promote this blog and it is pretty much inactive anyway (no posts for over a year), but on that basis I need to add some detail for those who do not know the parties involved.

Anyway, given this, I will first provide sufficient notes on our shared economic views, followed by my concerns on Labour in the UK. Then I will summarise the discussion between myself and another twitter MMT advocate which will also cover my concerns over Chris Williamson. I will then expand it to the discussion between myself and Bill which led to some questions for Bill to answer which he sort of answered in a post and to which this is the response. Still I will try and be as concise as possible hopefully without losing any nuance.

Modern Monetary Theory

Bill Mitchell is one of the founders of a macroeconomic framework called Modern Monetary Theory or MMT. This post is not about this theory per se. If one peruses previous posts here, in this dormant blog, you will see I support this approach.  My concern here is about PR and marketing of MMT in the UK, at this point in time in 2019.

For those of you who are unfamiliar with MMT, all you need to know for this discussion is that we argue it is a descriptive framework,  one that is available to anyone, whatever political values or location that they take in a political spectrum or compass: Left, centre or right; Authoritarian or libertarian; racist, including anti-semitism and also anti racist. Even if they are not consciously aware of this framework. That is, it is above and beyond any political value set anyone might have. Critics might disagree but that is beyond the scope of nor relevant to this discussion.

This is the same as a position over the theory of gravity. It does not matter what one’s political values are the theory of gravity still applies. There is an obvious difference to that analogy since, if one groks MMT, then one’s political values are likely to be altered or modified e.g. one could no longer use “neoliberalism” to support one’s position, however one could keep that position but need different arguments. (I put neoliberalism in scare quotes but again as to what that is not relevant to the substance of this discussion, I use it here and elsewhere for illustrative purposes only). Still the fundamental point remains, disputed by critics or not, that any political values can be congruent with MMT.

This means that differing MMT academics and advocates can operate within this framework with differing political values. So I fully expect to disagree with others within this framework.

A case in point is the UK remaining or leaving the EU. One cannot tell merely from knowing that one uses this framework, as to what their position is over the EU. In Bill’s case he is, what I call, a Hard Lexiter. Some founders of the first formal MMT advocacy group in the UK (I was in the meeting where the seeds for this were sown but was not involved in it’s creation) the Gower Initiative for Money Studies (GIMMS) voted Remain. I, if anyone is interested, support a soft Lexit position: Efta/EEA. Reasons why and for these differences are, again, not relevant and outside the scope of this post but the point is all these positions can be made within an MMT framework combined with everyone’s differing political values.

Labour and Antisemitism

That all being said both myself, Bill, GIMMS and others that might be mentioned here are of the left persuasion. I like to say I am  left but not of The Left. I am critical of Labour for the same reasons that Bill is, they are still under the influence of “neoliberalism”, not just what I call the social neoliberals – called by the democratic socialist wing of Labour e.g. Corbyn et al. “Blairites” – but also the democratic socialists themselves, with, for example, their Fiscal Rule.

Where we differ is that I am also concerned over Labour Antisemitism, on which Bill and GIMMS has pretty much remained silent. That is fine, he and they are making economic critiques of all parties, there is no need, expectation or obligation to get involved in that, certainly nothing within MMT should be affected by remaining silent on that. That issue, I would put it, is orthogonal to economics.

I have been more than happy for him and the official MMT body in the UK to ignore this and not take sides. The bone of contention that is the primary trigger for this post is that this is no longer the case.

James Tapper,the Brighton August and the GIMMS Fringe Labour Conference Meetings

The issue started when James Tapper, a Twitter advocate for MMT, drew my attention to a meeting on MMT to be held by Chris Williamson  in Brighton on August 8th 2019. Now, as most people are aware, in the UK at least, Chris Williamson is a highly controversial Labour MP who has been stirring the mud in the Labour Party over a range of antisemitic issues and more, but specifically was suspended over comments he made over Labour being “too apologetic” over anti-semitism.

Now since Chris Williamson is promoting MMT, it is inevitable that he will gain some converts to MMT in his talks. After all advocacy is one of his goals. This also means whether due to Chris directly or not there will be MMT twitter advocates who stand with Chris Williamson. It is to be expected. I don’t like it and will happily challenge them, in the hope that they are more rational than others of his supporters unaware of MMT.

So I was concerned that he promoted Chris Williamson without qualification. For myself, I often quote, with qualification, writers that I or just others  find problematic or controversial, who still make specific good and well supported arguments, ones  that I can endorse without meaning I endorse anything else they say. Far from wanting to qualify his support for Chris Williamson’s meeting, he made the absurd claim denying that Chris is not even controversial and that there was nothing to qualify!

Then it turns out that Chris is not only giving a talk on MMT but he is also substantiating the moniker applied to him by the many in the Jewish community of “Jew Baiter”, by auctioning the infamous antisemitic Steve Bell cartoon that the Guardian refused to publish!

It is a bone of contention as to whether Chris is currently the most notorious provocative (suspended) Labour MP when it comes to the issue of institutional antisemitism in Labour  but no one could deny that he is controversial. Anyway far from being contrite over his suspension, here was Chris belligerently clearly stepping over the line and linking what should have been a much valuable discussion and advocacy of MMT with his notorious Jew baiting behaviour. It was his choice to mix these two entirely distinct and orthogonal issues. This should have drawn pause by anyone seeking to promote an understanding of MMT in the public arena, even if this was not an officially supported meeting. There is still to date has been no condemnation even any comments about from any significant MMTers involved.

After all our banter James then posted a promotion of a a GIMMS organised Fringe (i.e. unofficial) Labour Conference event which was hosting Bill Mitchell and Chris Williamson! It was here that Bill got involved but I first want to complete my twitter discussion with James Tapper.

After all our discussion James continued to promote the original August 8th meeting without qualification – when James undeniably knew that Chris was specifically and deliberately merging advocacy of MMT and Jew baiting in one meeting.

When he promoted the GIMMS meeting., I was concerned over his denial that Chris Williamson was controversial and that I did not want that controversy to affect the GIMMS meeting,

He then linked to an Independent article that made my case. I responded specifically to him with an acerbic, sarcastic and ironic piece of rhetoric. That is what triggered Bill’s response, which was not addressed to him and hence this blog post.  If instead I had said “QED” or equivalent none of this mess would have occured. But it is twitter and was a individual spat between two no names.

Here is the conclusion of our banter

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Questions for Bill and GIMMS

Prior to my last sarcastic tweet, Bill had become involved in our discussion and provided two tweets, which led to these questions from me. His tweets are included in this tweet thread

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Bill’s Blog post response

So what was his answer? It was in a blog post not a tweet. The full post is here but here is the relevant section:

Thugs try to derail MMT presentation

We learned overnight that an event in Brighton tonight, where British Labour MP Chris Williamson will talk about Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) has been compromised by mindless thugs who have threatened violence to staff at the proposed venue should the event go ahead.

The full story is here in the Morning Star (August 6, 2019) – Williamson refuses to bow to thuggery after venue threatened by two men.

One of the tactics fascists deploy is to bully people with threats of violence in order to curb ideas they cannot counter.

The last week on Twitter has seen a continuation of the barrage of anti-Semitic accusations being made.

They seem to keep coming. I wrote about them recently in this blog post – When the Left disgraces itself(July 30, 2019).

But the dirt continues to be aired.

One creep went so far as to Tweet this week:

So apparently MMT is “For the many, not the Jew”.

I have been roped into the fuss because I am appearing at an upcoming – GIMMS Fringe Event – at the British Labour Party Conference in Brighton on September 23, 2019.

I will be sharing the stage with Chris Williamson to discuss MMT and the Green New Deal.

Chris is a friend and a dedicated Labour MP who has been courageous in embracing MMT and seeking to advance those ideas within the policy space.

Apparently, for all these diehard defenders of freedom, my association to Chris proves I hold anti-Semitic views, and, in turn, proves that Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) comes out of the same dark origins.

It is an absurd proposition and reflects the desperation that people within the Labour Party or sympathetic to it are willing to go to undermine the leadership and purge progressive economic thinking.

The Tweet was grossly disrespectful of my academic work and the work of my MMT academic colleagues.

It was plain wrong because in the body of literature that defines our work you will never find anything that one could remotely infer as being consistent with that statement.

After all, MMT is not a regime (“for the many” or otherwise).

But to try to slur our work with the anti-Semitic tag is disgusting and the person should be ashamed of himself.

As is clear – the hate talk of US Republicans against minorities has spawned gun massacres – the ‘manifesto’ of the El Paso murderer contains sentences that you can trace to various Tweets from Trump and his gang.

Relentless misuse of anti-Semitic accusations to make political points not only degrades the Jewish people but also spawns more extreme behaviour.

We cannot rule out the proposition that these thugs in the UK have been emboldened by this Twitter and social media onslaught against Chris and MMT (dragging me into the fray).

Let me state this clearly – the event that I am involved in on September 23 will go ahead, even if we have to stand on Brighton beach or in a park with a loud hailer.

Interlude

Before I respond to what was addressed to me, here is a comment I made on Labour Reddit:

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There had been some speculation there and elsewhere that Chris or Greg Hadfield – the organiser of this event and also twice suspended from Labour over… go on guess… antisemitism issues – had been making this up. Unlike many on Twitter, I did my best to actually find out. Only 10 minutes and two phone calls is all it took.  (By the way both Chris and Greg have blocked me so I have no idea what they might be tweeting.)

UPDATE: I still have seen no evidence for the “two thugs” claim and nothing Bill provided supported that allegation. This been further exaggerated by Jackie Walker claiming there was a bomb threat, although that is quite independent from anything Bill asserted – presumably his claim was via the ever reliable unbiased Morning Star. Note  the Holiday Inn Brighton has not confirmed to any journalist that the email was real, were they telling me the truth but then instructed to remain silent after my query? I will assume that is the case. Still one cannot infer the “two thugs” claim from that.

What happened

Well I was very surprised that Bill even saw my tweet to James. I know he has an impressive and  prodigious capacity for high quality work but where would he find the time to even see this tweet? I assumed that James Tapper had been a cry baby and DM’d the tweet saying look what Martin said to me.

I was wrong. 

After my cynical comment and long after his post the tweet thread continued:

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The penny dropped on my second reply.  Usually when, such as in this case, a tweet is misread in some form or other, the injured party responds, politely or not and I can redress it there and then.

Now realising that Bill received this directly he would understandably be extremely upset. In his shoes, I would be too. However it would never occur to me to amplify it to a blog (if I had an active one) without first seeking a response or redress on the original medium. Even more so if I had a far greater reach than my respondent. If he had responded, however irately, I am sure we could have quickly unravelled that that comment was not aimed at him nor the MMT community, that him seeing it all was an innocent mistake and that I would have more than happily apologised for any confusion or upset caused, including deleted this tweet. 

He did not do that. Instead he responded in a quite despicable fashion in that post quoted above.

That is a real dick move.

Given the way he did respond, I will not delete the text but it should be quite clear it is not aimed at him nor the MMT community. 

He owes me an apology for his appalling behaviour, in particular insinuating that this tweet  was somehow contributed or helped trigger the obnoxious behaviour that led to the event being cancelled. Apart from anything else,  look how many people have even read that tweet:

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He adds a most disgusting and near libellous rant when he knows I have defended him from accusations of anti-semitism from well know economists on Twitter. I have also said that I have never seen any antisemitism from any MMT academic (I have done enough screenshots for one post but you can check my timeline).

All I have said is that it is not a good look for MMT officially to be associated with  someone as controversial as Chris Williams.  The fact that he might be only Labour MP who groks MMT and defend it is sad. Bill has spent many years of effort trying to gain traction but I hope that this has just blinded him to Chris’ other failings.

Whatever has happened between myself and Bill,  I am and will be an advocate for the best realistic macroeconomic theory and to date I hold that is Modern Monetary Theory. I will continue to refer to the 20 odd years’ body of work including papers, posts and tweets by Bill.

I do not need to repeat the questions already stated above. Has he or GIMMS answered them? I think not but I will let you be the judge.

UPDATE: Given the disaster of the August 8th Brighton meeting, I fear for the GIMMS Fringe Labour Party meeting.

Whilst I think both Bill and GIMMS are one the wrong side of history on this, I also sincerely hope that the issue remains solely on the Jew Baiting of Chris Williamson. I hope it does not spill over to give critics giving  ammunition and another excuse to dismiss MMT, GIMMS and/or Bill. That was and is my primary concern.

Ironically my active active interest in Labour Antisemitism, was due to investigating whether Chris Williamson was antisemitic, in some form or other, solely in virtue of him being the only MP who groks and promotes MMT. Unfortunately my investigation led me to no longer supporting Corbyn’s Labour, with an emphasis on Corbyn and his cabal,  which also makes me politically homeless at present.  I am particularly concerned over those who “Stand with Chris Williamson”, noting that supporters of MMT I regard as an exception for whom I give the benefit of doubt – that they are not racists. Clearly James Tapper fails that test.  Still I wish it will eventually be dealt with and resolved, until then I cannot support Labour. It is quite clear that a necessary but insufficient condition would be the expulsion of Chris Williamson However since I repeatedly see support for Chris Williamson across my MMT timeline, I will address that as and when it occurs.

UPDATE 2:

So Bill  has deleted my reply merely pointing to this post to  resolve the confusion He has never done this before. Bill claims to support Freedom of Speech and is against No Platforming yet he he denies me the right to reply on the medium that he chose. In all my 30 years+ online debating, I have never been denied the right to reply on the medium of choice of my opponent. This is a first.

Hypocrisy or what?

 

 

4 thoughts on “Response to Bill Mitchell”

  1. Hi Martin, I see that this matter has seemingly gotten out of control. That is a shame. I think Bill just made a mistake. He is interested in his legacy, such as it is, and wants to push MMT as hard as he can for as long as he is able. I don’t know much about Williamson, but I did see the clip of the Sheffield meeting. Personally, I thought it was a ridicuous thing for Williamson to say. He does seem to be exceptionally aggressive. Which I find objectionable.

    Something different: check out Adonis’s article in today’s Guardian and then check out Dominic Cummings’ blog. Cummings is clearly widely read. How deep his learning goes, I leave for you to decide.

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    1. Well Larry he seems to making a few of those. Retweeting Singham who as you know is IEA aka neoliberal central, it ain’t a good look admonishing people as neoliberal when retreating them yourself.

      Let’s also look At the Full Brexit (whatever you feel about Brexit isn’t the point). … Bill is a signatory in support. One of the founding signatures is James Heartfield a Lexiter (That’s fine) but a Lexiter who is standing for the Brexit party in of all places Islington North which is Corbyns constituency. Yes a so called supporter is standing directly against Corbyn.

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  2. Anon, I think Full Brexit is worse than that from BobFroBrockley on RCP/LM/Spiked https://brockley.blogspot.com/2019/07/the-rcps-long-march-from-anti.html

    “One LM initiative in the post-Referendum period was “The Full Brexit”, an avowedly left-wing pressure group launched in the summer of 2018 to reframe the Brexit narrative as one about “democracy” rather than just bashing immigrants. Alongside a smattering of Blue Labour social conservatives and Lexit Marxists, a good half of its 20 founding signatories are RCP network members. Academic Chris Bickerton has been a Spiked contributor since 2005, when he was a PhD student at St John’s College, Oxford. Philip Cunliffe, Furedi’s colleague at the University of Kent, is another long term Spiked activist. Pauline Hadaway, another academic, is a veteran of the Living Marxism days. James Heartfield was a paid RCP organiser. Lee Jones seems to have been recruited at Oxford around the same time as Bickerton. Tara McCormack is an RCP veteran, as is Suke Wolton. Bruno Waterfield write for Living Marxism. Other signatories aren’t part of the network but have been promoted by Spiked: Paul Embery and Thomas Fazi for example (Fazi is also connected to the 5 Star Movement and recently retweeted an antisemitic tweet from someone with “Nazbol” in his user name). Many are also involved in Briefings for Brexit, which has several RCP veterans on its advisory committee, and some are involved with Civitas. This is a peculiar form of left-right crossover politics.”

    (Nonetheless making Brexit about democracy was never a re-framing for me. Just getting out of the imperial political and undemocratic EU project was the minimal interpretation of what leaving the EU means, which therefore should have maximal reach in the electorate, since other concerns with a less minimal interpretation, would logically have less coverage/support even if they were bigger motivators in those sub-groups. Really have Venn diagrams in mind looks slightly tortured expressing that in words but hopefully you get my point.)

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